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1/48 scale Bf 109's x 2
- Thread starter matrixone
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hmmm... Hobbycraft and poor fit... Who duh thunk it?
1/48 scale Bf 109's x 3
The airframes are done on all three 109's and the masked off canopies have been sprayed with RLM 66 Black Gray before any of the camouflage colors are painted on.
The spinners and drop tanks have been painted, the drop tanks were given some dents. The dents look overdone at this stage but after the decals and weathering are done the dents will hardly be seen.
The RLM 70 and 1/3 white segment painted spinner is for the G-6, the gloss black spinner is for Frankenschmitt and I will be using a spiral decal on that one, the white spinner is for the G-14 and the spiral will be masked off and then gloss black paint will be sprayed over it.
Matrixone
The airframes are done on all three 109's and the masked off canopies have been sprayed with RLM 66 Black Gray before any of the camouflage colors are painted on.
The spinners and drop tanks have been painted, the drop tanks were given some dents. The dents look overdone at this stage but after the decals and weathering are done the dents will hardly be seen.
The RLM 70 and 1/3 white segment painted spinner is for the G-6, the gloss black spinner is for Frankenschmitt and I will be using a spiral decal on that one, the white spinner is for the G-14 and the spiral will be masked off and then gloss black paint will be sprayed over it.
Matrixone
Looks great Les 
I've questioned in the past how much weathering drop tanks would get. I mean they were disposable, how often did they come back from sorties? Dents and scratches I can see coming from handling and shipping, but massive and repetitive fuel stains, leakage, I don't know?
I've questioned in the past how much weathering drop tanks would get. I mean they were disposable, how often did they come back from sorties? Dents and scratches I can see coming from handling and shipping, but massive and repetitive fuel stains, leakage, I don't know?
Thank you guys!
Bob,
Unlike Allied fighters the drop tanks for the Bf 109 and short nose Fw 190's would get VERY dirtied up even after a short flight.
I have seen many photographs of Luftwaffe drop tanks that had some dents and dings on them and I wanted to try this feature on my models, yes the dents I did are overdone but once they are installed under the model they will hardly even be noticed.
Below are some photographs of drop tanks that are either dented or quite dirty looking.
Below are some illustrations that show the differences of the engine cowlings of the Bf109G-10, the new Revell 109 kit that is about to be released is of the Erla built G-10, this version of the 109 has never been kitted before.
And here is why the drop tank of a late war 109 got so filthy...this is a newly delivered 109 that had a landing mishap, look at how stained the undersides are, imagine how the bad oil stains would have been after a combat mission using full power of the engine.
This last picture is interesting for two reasons, look at the extreme paint chipping inside the cockpit! Also the pilot looks young enough to still be in school...what a waste of life for a losing cause.
Matrixone
Bob,
Unlike Allied fighters the drop tanks for the Bf 109 and short nose Fw 190's would get VERY dirtied up even after a short flight.
I have seen many photographs of Luftwaffe drop tanks that had some dents and dings on them and I wanted to try this feature on my models, yes the dents I did are overdone but once they are installed under the model they will hardly even be noticed.
Below are some photographs of drop tanks that are either dented or quite dirty looking.
Below are some illustrations that show the differences of the engine cowlings of the Bf109G-10, the new Revell 109 kit that is about to be released is of the Erla built G-10, this version of the 109 has never been kitted before.
And here is why the drop tank of a late war 109 got so filthy...this is a newly delivered 109 that had a landing mishap, look at how stained the undersides are, imagine how the bad oil stains would have been after a combat mission using full power of the engine.
This last picture is interesting for two reasons, look at the extreme paint chipping inside the cockpit! Also the pilot looks young enough to still be in school...what a waste of life for a losing cause.
Matrixone
ij001
Well-known member
Imagine what was going through his thoughts as he approached his first 'box' of B-17s/B-24s as all those .50cals opened up. Not to mention keeping his head twisting and turning looking-out for the escorts.
Interestingly I just read that Jochen Marseilles was only 22 when he was made hauptmann of 7/JG27 !!
Ian
Interestingly I just read that Jochen Marseilles was only 22 when he was made hauptmann of 7/JG27 !!
Ian
I'm following along, Les.
Some points for those that are interested:
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[li]Hobbycraft's nose for the Bf 109G6 is more accurate in shape than Hasegawa's. This is when measured against factory plans.[/li]
[li]German drop tanks were collected and returned to the closest airfield for reuse when dropped over friendly territory (e.g. - Defence of the Reich). This accounts for the beating they took.[/li]
[li]The Erla built Bf 109 G-10 (note how it is written, based on German documentation) used the Type 110 cowling to cover the DB 605AS engine used due to the lack of DB 605D engines as used by the other manufacturers. So, if adding an engine to the Revell kit, make sure to get the right one.[/li]
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Regards,
Some points for those that are interested:
[ol]
[li]Hobbycraft's nose for the Bf 109G6 is more accurate in shape than Hasegawa's. This is when measured against factory plans.[/li]
[li]German drop tanks were collected and returned to the closest airfield for reuse when dropped over friendly territory (e.g. - Defence of the Reich). This accounts for the beating they took.[/li]
[li]The Erla built Bf 109 G-10 (note how it is written, based on German documentation) used the Type 110 cowling to cover the DB 605AS engine used due to the lack of DB 605D engines as used by the other manufacturers. So, if adding an engine to the Revell kit, make sure to get the right one.[/li]
[/ol]
Regards,
White_Wolf
Master at Arms
Love the build so far and the old photos mate, great stuff
Well I'll be danged...I stand corrected, carry on. 
Thanks for the lesson Les
Thanks for the lesson Les
In one of my reference books I had seen a photograph of a Luftwaffe storage building that had quite a few drop tanks inside of it that had a mix of new and old drop tanks, the used drop tanks had some dents in them, I can't find that picture now but it would illustrate quite well just how beat up those drop tanks could get.
The pictures of the young pilot of 'Green 6' show his aircraft is very likely an Erla built G-10.
Below is a photograph of a line up of some Fw 190's just before a mission and if you look carefully all these Focke-Wulfs have oil stains on the drop tanks.
And here is an example of an Erla built Bf 109G-10, notice the cowling.
The two pictures below are nothing special but do show the weathering of the wing root to good effect.
And here is Galland on an inspection tour looking over a Bf 109.
Matrixone
The pictures of the young pilot of 'Green 6' show his aircraft is very likely an Erla built G-10.
Below is a photograph of a line up of some Fw 190's just before a mission and if you look carefully all these Focke-Wulfs have oil stains on the drop tanks.
And here is an example of an Erla built Bf 109G-10, notice the cowling.
The two pictures below are nothing special but do show the weathering of the wing root to good effect.
And here is Galland on an inspection tour looking over a Bf 109.
Matrixone
Some painting was done on the Bf 109's, a light dusting of pale RLM 76 was sprayed on followed by some pre-shading and highlights with thinned white paint.
I wanted to try something different on these models, instead of using gray tones for the pre-shading I used some dark blue. I have no idea how well this might work but it is no problem if it does not work as I can simply paint over it and start over.
The G-6 and G-14 were given the usual amount of pre-shading but you will notice Frankenschmitt (the K-4) has hardly any at all...the reason for this is this 109 will be finished as one of the many 109's that surrendered to American forces at Neubiberg in May 1945 and it was very heavily weathered with exhaust stains and mud and dirt on the rear of the aircraft, pre-shading would not show much at all after I get done weathering it.
Matrixone
I wanted to try something different on these models, instead of using gray tones for the pre-shading I used some dark blue. I have no idea how well this might work but it is no problem if it does not work as I can simply paint over it and start over.
The G-6 and G-14 were given the usual amount of pre-shading but you will notice Frankenschmitt (the K-4) has hardly any at all...the reason for this is this 109 will be finished as one of the many 109's that surrendered to American forces at Neubiberg in May 1945 and it was very heavily weathered with exhaust stains and mud and dirt on the rear of the aircraft, pre-shading would not show much at all after I get done weathering it.
Matrixone
White_Wolf
Master at Arms
always interested to see the results of experimenting new things 
Thanks White_Wolf,
Its fun trying different ways of painting/weathering models...the construction phase is boring to me but once a model starts getting some paint sprayed on them that's when they get really interesting and I get enthused for getting the model finished.
After digging through some of my reference books and looking at a number of late war 109's I decided to build a Bf 109G-10 next using one of my Revell/Monogram 1/48 scale kits...these 109's are SO addictive! Almost as bad as Focke-Wulfs. :gogo
BTW, these two Hobbycraft 109's are the first Hobbycraft 109's I have built and compared to the Hasegawa kit its easy to see just how undersized the windscreens are on the Hobbycraft kit(s). How could Hobbycraft get it THAT wrong? Its not like the 109 was a poorly documented or rare aircraft. :idonno
Matrixone
Its fun trying different ways of painting/weathering models...the construction phase is boring to me but once a model starts getting some paint sprayed on them that's when they get really interesting and I get enthused for getting the model finished.
After digging through some of my reference books and looking at a number of late war 109's I decided to build a Bf 109G-10 next using one of my Revell/Monogram 1/48 scale kits...these 109's are SO addictive! Almost as bad as Focke-Wulfs. :gogo
BTW, these two Hobbycraft 109's are the first Hobbycraft 109's I have built and compared to the Hasegawa kit its easy to see just how undersized the windscreens are on the Hobbycraft kit(s). How could Hobbycraft get it THAT wrong? Its not like the 109 was a poorly documented or rare aircraft. :idonno
Matrixone
White_Wolf
Master at Arms
I know what you mean by addictive
You might have seen these before, but I really do like them two pics
Hope this helps
Laurence
You might have seen these before, but I really do like them two pics
Hope this helps
Laurence