Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Completed January 19, 2021

[ausf]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

Superb.

I used to do makeup effects for film and would reference real wounds in medical textbooks, police files, etc. and if I made anything look like that I'd never get any work. What is real and what people perceive as real are two different things. I was once given a set of slides taken from an airliner disaster and there was nothing recognizable as human.

Thank you Sir!

I agree 100%!!!

But what has always caught my attention was the bizarre extremes in such things. The other side of the coin! I had some drug dealers up against the wall of a building, patting them down. That was a long time ago in a place far far away, you couldn't do things like that today. Up walks this guy I knew from the streets wearing a white undershirt. He looked normal except from his deltoid muscle all the way to his wrist was nothing more than a bone with a lot of blood on it. All the skin and muscle was gathered around his wrist. I thought somebody had did it with a knife. He was relatively calm and said he had been shot. I called for an ambulance immediately. I thought he was simply in shock and wasn't realizing what was happening. I would have applied a tourniquet but it didn't seem to be bleeding much at all and, besides, there really wasn't anyplace to wrap a tourniquet around.

Come to find out, he had stolen some heroin from a small time dealer. The dealer walked up to him on the street and shot him with a .22 rifle. Somehow, and I'm still not sure how, the bullet entered his arm, between the bicep and deltoid, spun around the bone, I was told several times by the attending physician, severing all the muscles, veins, arteries and tendons and everything dropped down onto his wrist. He died the next day in the hospital. I don't know the cause of death, never saw the autopsy report and that's the extent of my knowledge about it!

BTW, I think the closest movie I have seen that realistically portrayed real bullet and shrapnel damage was in the Omaha Beach scene of Saving Private Ryan, and that was even toned down a bit from what it likely was really like. People have no idea just how fragile the human body is! I know I have since always laughed to myself when I see men strutting around like they are macho!

Bob

I grew up in 70s NYC where 'Taxi Driver' was basically a documentary. My buddy and I (he was 6'6", 250 lb tough guy) came across a just happened compound fracture. I was amazed and basically taking notes, looked for my friend and he's laying down on the curb. He was conscious but said everything just went white.

I did an effect once that I thought was horrible and unrealistic, but it was a direct interpretation of what the writer and director witnessed in the Bowery a few years earlier (they were maybe 5 years older than me). A junkie who didn't have works, took a coat hangar, jammed it in his arm and dripped the cooked heroin down the length of the hangar into his vein. The director told me when the film was shown at Cannes, at least half the audience walked out after that scene, one guy yelling that it was American propaganda. Again, this was witnessed first hand by them.

 

[Jeeves]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

I'm pretty sure I speak for everyone here when I say we would love more stories- most of us get our modelling intuition off of a picture we remember or come across- but the fact that the memory of the burned out car from when you were an officer is so vivid you can recall it in enough detail to recreate it as you have is damned impressive. You've got my rapt attention sir!!

 

[bob letterman]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

Superb.

I used to do makeup effects for film and would reference real wounds in medical textbooks, police files, etc. and if I made anything look like that I'd never get any work. What is real and what people perceive as real are two different things. I was once given a set of slides taken from an airliner disaster and there was nothing recognizable as human.

Thank you Sir!

I agree 100%!!!

But what has always caught my attention was the bizarre extremes in such things. The other side of the coin! I had some drug dealers up against the wall of a building, patting them down. That was a long time ago in a place far far away, you couldn't do things like that today. Up walks this guy I knew from the streets wearing a white undershirt. He looked normal except from his deltoid muscle all the way to his wrist was nothing more than a bone with a lot of blood on it. All the skin and muscle was gathered around his wrist. I thought somebody had did it with a knife. He was relatively calm and said he had been shot. I called for an ambulance immediately. I thought he was simply in shock and wasn't realizing what was happening. I would have applied a tourniquet but it didn't seem to be bleeding much at all and, besides, there really wasn't anyplace to wrap a tourniquet around.

Come to find out, he had stolen some heroin from a small time dealer. The dealer walked up to him on the street and shot him with a .22 rifle. Somehow, and I'm still not sure how, the bullet entered his arm, between the bicep and deltoid, spun around the bone, I was told several times by the attending physician, severing all the muscles, veins, arteries and tendons and everything dropped down onto his wrist. He died the next day in the hospital. I don't know the cause of death, never saw the autopsy report and that's the extent of my knowledge about it!

BTW, I think the closest movie I have seen that realistically portrayed real bullet and shrapnel damage was in the Omaha Beach scene of Saving Private Ryan, and that was even toned down a bit from what it likely was really like. People have no idea just how fragile the human body is! I know I have since always laughed to myself when I see men strutting around like they are macho!

Bob

I grew up in 70s NYC where 'Taxi Driver' was basically a documentary. My buddy and I (he was 6'6", 250 lb tough guy) came across a just happened compound fracture. I was amazed and basically taking notes, looked for my friend and he's laying down on the curb. He was conscious but said everything just went white.

I did an effect once that I thought was horrible and unrealistic, but it was a direct interpretation of what the writer and director witnessed in the Bowery a few years earlier (they were maybe 5 years older than me). A junkie who didn't have works, took a coat hangar, jammed it in his arm and dripped the cooked heroin down the length of the hangar into his vein. The director told me when the film was shown at Cannes, at least half the audience walked out after that scene, one guy yelling that it was American propaganda. Again, this was witnessed first hand by them.

I have some friends who were cops in the Bronx and Manhattan. They, and I, have seen such things and even more dramatic than that! I've had a lot of theories why St. Louis was/is so crime ridden, but couldn't make a case for any of them in court! Now the crime has moved out into the suburbs like Jennings, and Ferguson. I even remember guys passing out at the morgue while I was in the academy waaaaay back in the early 1960s. Big and brawny seems to make little difference when it comes to gore. In all those years I never got sick but there were times when i didn't sleep well afterwards, and a few where my reactions didn't kick in till after it was all over, then I got lightheaded. I gotta tell you, I wouldn't be a cop today if they paid huge salaries. The actual crime is really no worse, in fact, nationwide, it is down from those days. it has dissipated into the suburbs, but from my point of view, you're out there now with absolutely no support from the higher echelon whatsoever, and there are groups that seem determined to send cops to prison, even when they are guiltless.

Bob

 

[bob letterman]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

I'm pretty sure I speak for everyone here when I say we would love more stories- most of us get our modelling intuition off of a picture we remember or come across- but the fact that the memory of the burned out car from when you were an officer is so vivid you can recall it in enough detail to recreate it as you have is damned impressive. You've got my rapt attention sir!!

Thanks for your comments Jeeves,

I have been fortunate? to have an excellent memory. So far at least! I could tell war stories for weeks on end, but, Moon Pup might kick me off the site! If you're ever near southwest Missouri, drop by and see the museum. I promise I'll bore you to death with ancient exploits! :yipee

Bob

 

[ausf]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

It's funny that this came up now. My youngest son is about to join the Volunteer Firefighters in our town. He's 16 and finishing up his Eagle in Scouts. The Orange County Fireman's association (we found this out after he joined) has a scholarship program as long as the school is within 90 miles. He's going to study engineering and Manhattan is within 40 miles, so he has a good selection.

The reason why I bring it up is I want to talk to the officers before he gets too far. He thought is was because I was worried about his safety, but as I told him, it's because we are close to the Thruway and they mostly respond to crashes. I don't want him rolling up on a decap or eviseration. You can't unring that bell and I don't think he needs to see anything like that at this age. Seeing a family in a car after it rolled at 90 mph isn't like watching the Walking Dead.

 

[bob letterman]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

My daughter is in her fifties, and I still worry about her. I would feel the same as you, no doubt, but, they grow up and soon your wings aren't large enough to keep them tucked under anymore. It happens to us all.

Good luck on that one! I became a cop when i turned 21 after three and a half years in the army. I've seen so much in my life, somehow I managed to get through it with my sanity intact. Or did I? :idonno

Bob

 

[ausf]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

My daughter is in her fifties, and I still worry about her. I would feel the same as you, no doubt, but, they grow up and soon your wings aren't large enough to keep them tucked under anymore. It happens to us all.

My oldest is in his second week at Stonybrook for mechanical engineering. He's doing great, but my wife is not adjusting well.

 

[Duke Maddog]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

I just found this and WOW! What amazing work! I do love the burned out car. I could listen to those stories all day long. I also love having a full day of uninterrupted modeling; it happens so rarely.

Great work! I'm following this now.

Thanks Duke,

I'll be switching back and forth on the five "Logistics" threads for awhile!

Bob

Cool. I'm following three of them, I gotta go find the other two. More great stories here; I'm so glad I found this one. Ausf, I'll be praying for your boy as he pursues his calling.

 

[bob letterman]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

A small update. I am at the point where I can begin telling some of the spaces that will need additional figures or vehicles. I bought two new vehicles last week. Another Harley Davidson motorcycle. This one a Miniart kit. Far beyond the two ancient Tamiya kits I already built.

Then, in the area behind Patton where a lot of military brass will be interrogating a German general and his aide. Two of the generals with be British. I realized I will need a vehicle to have taken them there. So, I decided on a U.S. Bantam. The vast majority of Bantams were shipped to England and the Soviet Union on lend lease to be used as staff cars.

I have plenty of reference for the British Bantams, so i;ll do a mild conversion on this one.

I also felt I could use another American staff car as well. Back in the distant past, at least back in the early 1980s, somewhere i picked up a 1940 Ford in 1/32nd scale. I dug it out and looked at it. It was absolutely terrible! I have never seen so much flashing on a kit in my life. What the hell I thought, I'll give it a try. It doesn't even have a brand on it. (I don't blame them)!.

Here is what I mean.

Still, I began cleaning it up.

This is just some of the flashing from the body!

Still, I thought, I'm an optimistic guy! Right?

Ditto.

However, after all that work, when I attempted to mount the body onto the fenders, well, it was totally misaligned and, the hood extended a half inch beyond the grill. Fuggettaboutitt!

All that for nothing! It would be easier to scratchbuild a 1940 Ford than to fix the problems on that one!

That's how life goes in the modeling world sometimes. I'll start looking around again. If nothing else, I can add another Jeep!

 

[jeaton01]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

I've collected quite a few 1/32 cars. Pyro, Palmer, Lifelike, and Lindberg are the common brands. None are anything like as bad as that one, but then none are what I would call princely either.

 

[moon puppy]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

Wow, could be a good base for something knocked out.

 

[Duke Maddog]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

Wow, could be a good base for something knocked out.

I like that idea.

Man that car looks like an Armeggedon kit. I don't blame you for passing it by.

 

[SA Dave]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Oct.17th, 2017

Plus Models has a resin 1/35 car It is a bit pricy though
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Plus-Model-1-35-US-Staff-Car-Resin-Model-Kit-300/117281341

 

[bob letterman]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

I've collected quite a few 1/32 cars. Pyro, Palmer, Lifelike, and Lindberg are the common brands. None are anything like as bad as that one, but then none are what I would call princely either.

Thank John,

those are not easy to find, and, even when they are, quite pricey and, like you said, the quality is not the greatest! As I said, if nothing else, I'll just add a Jeep or two.

Bob

 

[bob letterman]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

Wow, could be a good base for something knocked out.

Yeah, on a future build maybe, but not this one. There are three German vehicles in the dio that are destroyed, but generals, generally speaking, didn't go that far into the front until the fighting died down and it was in American hands. I don't want to overdo the destroyed vehicle thing!

Dad

 

[bob letterman]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

Wow, could be a good base for something knocked out.

I like that idea.

Man that car looks like an Armeggedon kit. I don't blame you for passing it by.

I gotta say, that was the most flashing I have ever seen on a model!

Bob

 

[bob letterman]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Oct.17th, 2017

Plus Models has a resin 1/35 car It is a bit pricy though
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Plus-Model-1-35-US-Staff-Car-Resin-Model-Kit-300/117281341

Hey Dave, Thanks for the tip, it is a nice looking staff car, but, you said a bit pricey? $103.00 for a 1/35th staff car?

Uhhhh, I'll use a jeep, know what I mean?

You know, I was there at the dawn of the resin kit phenomena. It was cool in it's day, but with all the plastic available today, I wouldn't want to be in the resin model business! I just have a feeling the doors are closing on that industry as they did on vacu-forms about 30 years ago. Just my opinion.

Bob

 

[Heavens Eagle]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Oct.17th, 2017

Resin and Vac kits can still have a place in the hobby, just not as poor partial pieces of poo like some used to be. I have several vac kits that are not available and the subjects were only available as the one vac kit I have. Most of the old vac kits were pretty poor and should have never been made.

Considering making a special one off vac kit in 1/32 (If I ever get the reference book I ordered from Valiant)

Really looking forward to seeing this all come together Bob! Still not sure when I will be back Tulsa way.

 

[Duke Maddog]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Sept. 11, 2017

Wow, could be a good base for something knocked out.

I like that idea.

Man that car looks like an Armeggedon kit. I don't blame you for passing it by.

I gotta say, that was the most flashing I have ever seen on a model!

Bob

Then you have never built an Armaggeddon or Maquette kit. The amount of flash and other issues makes what you posted look like a Tamiya kit! I have built one Armaggeddon kit and two Maquette kits ans the best description I could give for the experience is: You assemble all the parts and then carve the model out of the block of plastic you built. You'd have enough left over plastic to mold at least two more medium sized kits....


Good luck on your hunt for another decent vehicle.

 

[jknaus]

Logistics, trucks & Jeeps Updated Oct.17th, 2017

That's cool. Man that must have been an old mold to get so much flash.
James