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TOPIC: PZL.23A Karas (1/48 Mirage)

PZL.23A Karas (1/48 Mirage) 04 Dec 2017 15:37 #13

dewertus wrote:
The "A" version was used only for training. If you need any help feel free to ask :dude

This is not an easy model - i know it quite well...

Thanks Hubert! I did see in the instructions that the A was used for training, with only about 40 "A" versions being built (that correct)?

I've decided to build this version, No. 44.5 "8"

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I have 2 questions though:

1. The instructions say 44.5 was allocated to the Polish Air Force College at Deblin and then captured by the Germans in '39. It says the wheel spats were removed for wartime operations and I had wanted to build it without the wheel spats as the Part PE has some nice details for the struts. This should be fine, yes?

2. The full registration is listed as "44.5, "8", ??-D". One of the other versions pictured lists "44.31, "2", 20-D". with a large white "20" on the underside of the starboard wing and a "D" on the port wing.

Do you or Saul know if "44.5, "8", ??-D" had any white alpha-numeric codes on the bottom of the wings?
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PZL.23A Karas (1/48 Mirage) 04 Dec 2017 18:26 #14

sharkman wrote:
1. The instructions say 44.5 was allocated to the Polish Air Force College at Deblin and then captured by the Germans in '39. It says the wheel spats were removed for wartime operations and I had wanted to build it without the wheel spats as the Part PE has some nice details for the struts. This should be fine, yes?
Yes


sharkman wrote:
Do you or Saul know if "44.5, "8", ??-D" had any white alpha-numeric codes on the bottom of the wings?
In the case of this machine, there is no full agreement as to the markings on the bottom of the wings. The matter is also not facilitated by the fact that there were a lot of descriptions and exceptions regarding these alpha-numeric codes. In the latest edition of the Karas model (1/72 scale), another manufacturer (IBG) suggests only the letter "D" because in the spring of 1939 this plane was transferred from the school in Dęblin to the School Squadron of the 1st Air Regiment in Warsaw and probably part of mars was changed or painted over. The Foundation inscription on the plane appeared in April 1939 during the service in the Warsaw squadron.

All photos I have show this plane in side view or top/side view :idonno


sharkman wrote:
It is an ugly and unusual plane,
You're wrong - this plane is charming :gogo
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PZL.23A Karas (1/48 Mirage) 05 Dec 2017 20:45 #15

dewertus wrote:
sharkman wrote:
1. The instructions say 44.5 was allocated to the Polish Air Force College at Deblin and then captured by the Germans in '39. It says the wheel spats were removed for wartime operations and I had wanted to build it without the wheel spats as the Part PE has some nice details for the struts. This should be fine, yes?
Yes


sharkman wrote:
Do you or Saul know if "44.5, "8", ??-D" had any white alpha-numeric codes on the bottom of the wings?
In the case of this machine, there is no full agreement as to the markings on the bottom of the wings. The matter is also not facilitated by the fact that there were a lot of descriptions and exceptions regarding these alpha-numeric codes. In the latest edition of the Karas model (1/72 scale), another manufacturer (IBG) suggests only the letter "D" because in the spring of 1939 this plane was transferred from the school in Dęblin to the School Squadron of the 1st Air Regiment in Warsaw and probably part of mars was changed or painted over. The Foundation inscription on the plane appeared in April 1939 during the service in the Warsaw squadron.

All photos I have show this plane in side view or top/side view :idonno


sharkman wrote:
It is an ugly and unusual plane,
You're wrong - this plane is charming :gogo

Thanks a million Hubert!

(p.s. I don't really think it is ugly, most probably do, but I like the odd and unusual!)
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PZL.23A Karas (1/48 Mirage) 05 Dec 2017 21:02 #16

You welcome - I have a few books about PZL P.23/42/43 so in case of any question feel free to ask :thumbsup
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PZL.23A Karas (1/48 Mirage) 10 Dec 2017 07:00 #17

dewertus wrote:
You welcome - I have a few books about PZL P.23/42/43 so in case of any question feel free to ask :thumbsup

Thanks Hubert! If anything comes up I will pester you! :bgrin

Just completed a few sub assemblies

wings, etc..

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Some work on the cockpit, the instructions say to assemble the inner tub and then glue it in, I chose a different route!

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The lower gondola is a neat piece, It is molded as 1 piece that you fold for the correct shape

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Pilots seat

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That's all for now. The fit is great on this kit so far, the biggest issue with the kit is it is full of sink marks!!
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PZL.23A Karas (1/48 Mirage) 10 Dec 2017 08:17 #18

:thumbsup
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PZL.23A Karas (1/48 Mirage) 10 Dec 2017 08:43 #19

An interesting way to make the gondola :coolio

Cheers, Christian B)

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PZL.23A Karas (1/48 Mirage) 10 Dec 2017 09:09 #20

:pilot
I told you photobucket sucks...



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PZL.23A Karas (1/48 Mirage) 10 Dec 2017 13:52 #21

Nice kit ... a interesting bird ... not a ugly duckling ... and it's already showing some beauty ... :pilot :popcorn
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